Hi, I purchased this game 57 days ago, I did read the logs provided but was still wondering if I could get a refund please. I purchased it under this username (Ultrrraaa). I want to buy it on steam because I'm planning on just getting rid of my itch.io account.
The difference is that the remake has a different build. So the UI is different and so is the mechanics. It's got some quality of life improvements from the itcho version, but play similarly.
It is mostly the same game though. Nothing has been really redesigned enough to call it a new game compared to an update. It's still 95% the same art assets. It's slightly more simplified than the itch.io version mechanically aswell (Which is fine).
Personally I prefer the itch.io version. The steam version has a lot of things removed that I personally liked about the itch.io version. Minus the custom gamemode it hasn't really "added" anymore to the game. The quality of life stuff is nice though.
Hola. yo si deseo mi rembolso para adquirirlo en steam! aqui esta la prueba de la fecha de cundo lo compre, seguramente puede salir reflejado en el sistema
Hi! I would really appreciate a refund for the game just to send it back for the steam version please. I really like the series and progress of this game and I would love to see what you've done in 2.0.4!!
I'm gonna say this again if people still gonna ask for a refund and accuse Nachosama for wanting money only and not because he wants to share his own game.
It's honestly really wild and disappointing that most of people here are always complaining about "having to buy twice" and "he broke his promises" as their strongest argument when the game has always been just $3. Nachosama didn't raise the price of the original game, didn't upcharge for the remake, and he admitted his mistakes, apologized for many times after he couldn't promised the Steam Key and Itch.io refund, yet, people really backlashed him so much to the point they destroyed his passion for TNMN and his other future work.
"But it's still their money, no matter the amount, he forced people to buy twice!" So, are you guys gonna ignoring the amount of effort he put into TNMN as well? He made the game ENTIRELY by himself, he made the game from scratch, concept art, UI/UX, coding, prototype, final artwork, and everything that involves game development. As a college student and artist, i know it's really HARD to do all of that ALONE, Nachosama managed to success with TNMN because he was really motivated to create such a unique game entirely by himself, and he still charged the game in such incredibly low prices than most indie devs would. Not to mention that his game got really popular, he could've raise the price for the remake if he wants to but NOPE, Nachosama didn't want you to pay in a higher price because he GENUINELY wanted to SHARE his own game, NOT scamming you out of fortune.
People also forgot the fact that devs NEED TO PROTECT THEIR GAME FROM PIRACY. Nachosama stated that his game has been STOLEN multiple times and people made profit off of it which it is absolute CRIME & DISRESPECTFUL TO DEVELOPERS. It's also one of most valid reason for him to move his own game to Steam because Steam has stronger security than Itch.io, but some people fail to realize this and ignore this copyrights problem. Nacho didn't mind it at first, but seeing how some of you backlash him because he decided to remake and expand the game to Steam, you immediately throw the "YOU'RE SO ARROGANT FOR 'FORCING' US TO BUY TWICE!!!" and calling him "greedy" while the real ones who are being greedy here are the people who only cares about their own MONEY & FREE STUFF from his game.
So the point of my comment? Just GIVE HIM A BREAK. Respect every of his decision, understand what he already stated instead of asking the same thing that is already explained by him for many times. It's NO USE if you keep harassing him because now he already discouraged from continuing TNMN and his other work. He also probably got really traumatized after all of the backlash that was happening in here. Some of you just decided to disrespect him in any unhinged way possible when he was already falling down, that's honestly such a pathetic move and you should be ashamed of yourself for disrespecting him this much.
If you're still disagree with me? Then it's your choice! It's your choice if you want to downvote my comment as well. I fight against those who insulted Nachosama because i got FREAKING DISAPPOINTED TO SEE MY FAVORITE DEV BEING DISRESPECTED THIS MUCH. This just proves Nacho that most of people here are just fake fans who only care about their own money and not his work once he couldn't fulfill his promises while the "sane" TNMN fans out there are way more reasonable with their constructive criticisms after he released the remake in Steam.
Thank you if you read this and i hope you have a ✨nice day or night!!!✨ 😊👍👍👍
If Nachosama truly wanted to share his game, he could’ve easily updated the Itch.io version instead of removing it from future updates. Moving to Steam for better security makes sense, but it’s also easy to pirate the Steam version, so piracy isn't a solid reason for not updating Itch.io. Games like Buckshot Roulette updated both versions, proving it's possible to support both platforms.
The developer went back and forth between saying "I truly wish I could give it to everyone for free" and "It's a new build, so I deserve it to be repurchased." His inconsistent stance only adds to the backlash. He broke several promises, and instead of updating the Itch.io version, something that could've easily been done, he told everyone he’d offer refunds, only to realize he couldn’t issue refunds after 90 days. I’m not blaming him for that, but it shows that lack of research led to these issues. It’s frustrating that with such a simple solution, he chose not to take it, especially when some games on Itch.io thrive despite piracy being "easier." This doesn’t seem like a valid reason to avoid updating Itch.io.
If he was truly willing to offer every single person a refund, then the whole piracy argument becomes irrelevant. If he’s offering refunds, it shows he's not concerned about people getting the game for free, which undermines the claim that piracy was the reason for moving to Steam. It makes sense that if he's willing to provide refunds, he could have simply updated the Itch.io version without worrying about piracy.
I think if he had a more consistent stance there’d be less backlash. Even if that stance from the start had been "This is a new game. If you want it, you need to pay for it again," it still would have gotten some backlash, considering buyers were told they’d get future updates for free. But I feel the backlash would have been less.
Oh, haha, i've noticed that you're still not backing down, i see. How fascinating! But since it seems like you're always talking about Nachosama's inconsistency, how about you go take a mirror first and take a look back at your previous comment compared to what you've been talking recently, then we can talk about it further if you still can explain what you actually really wanted! 🥸
What? My inconsistencies I mentioned are still perfectly valid? I'm talking about his inconsistencies throughout the development stages.
He claimed free indefinite updates of the game. September 28, 2024: “If you bought the game once, you won’t need to buy it again. You will always have access to all future updates.” and May 21, 2024: “Remember that if you already bought the game, you DO NOT need to purchase it again. The game is bought once, and you will always have access to all future files I upload.” To then "re-release" the game and call it a different game.
He claimed he wanted to give free Steam keys. Said he cannot give free Steam keys because he was limited to 100 Steam keys (which is perfectly reasonable if it's valid). However, if he was set on giving Steam keys for free, that means he had the intention of giving the Steam update for free. If that was the case, he could have achieved this goal by simply updating the itch.io version.
He then, in replies, started saying, "I just made another game, the game on itch was finished long ago," making it clear he never planned to give the Steam version for free. His own words in the screenshot confirm this.
He promised free refunds and then said he can't because of the 90-day limit (again, this is completely fair. He should have really done research before this. With all the backlash, you’d think he’d do extensive research before making any promises he might not be able to keep).
The game being "finished on itch.io" doesn't mean he couldn't simply release a separate downloadable file that was the Steam version if he again claimed he wanted to give the Steam version away for free for original backers.
He clearly was working on the Steam version for a while. Why not tell everyone, "Ok, guys. This itch.io version is done! I am making a Steam version of the game that is a remake. That remake will not be given to itch.io users because it is a new version of the game"? This may have gotten a tiny bit of backlash. However, nowhere near the backlash he got with all these hiccups. At the end of the day, a fanbase wants to feel like there is honesty and communication between them and the developer. When a new Steam game is released and then told, "You guys aren't getting it because it's a separate game" (and yes, this is basically what he's saying because again he'd just add the files on itch.io for original backers), it's going to leave a sour taste in people's mouths. That’s just how it is. Even more so when fans are expecting updates to the game because they haven’t been informed it is finished. Again, if he was working on the Steam version, he could, in the latest update to the itch.io version, just tell the fans that there will be no more updates to the game because he's remaking it for Steam with new features.
He is a solo developer, so I’m not putting him in the same leagues as a greedy corporate company. However, to say you will give indefinite free updates, then give the game a facelift for a Steam release and claim it's a new game isn’t exactly keeping to that narrative.
A part of development of the game can be re-working it from the ground up. That's very common in the gaming industry, from small indie games (like Risk of Rain (Remastered), Spelunky (HD), and Fez) to triple-A games. That doesn't warrant a re-purchase of the game when updates were promised for free and no prior warning was made to say the itch.io version of the game was complete.
The piracy scare needs to stop. Plenty of games get pirated, and they still do well. Maybe because 90% of gamers aren't thieves, and it insults us to make this kind of insinuation.
Edit: And also, not knocking on the guy's hard work, but calling this a "unique" game is a stretch. This is basically a Papers, Please clone. lol
"Plenty of games get pirated, and they still do well." Bro's acting like piracy isn't a big deal while Nachosama literally an indie dev who struggles and deserve to get paid for his hard work alone. Piracy might not kill AAA studios, but for a solo dev, every sale counts.
"90% of gamers aren't thieves" says WHO?? Did i ever assume that "90% of gamers are thieves for pirating his game"??? That's why he said "multiple times", not everyone, because there are people who actually stole his game and made a profit off of it. The Itch.io version also has raw files that makes it easier for people who want to get it for free while Steam makes it harder because it has stronger security and protection.
"This is basically a Papers, Please clone." Laziest take i've always seen. Just because a game has similar mechanic, doesn't mean it's completely a clone. They both still have different concept, art style, and story. Papers Please is more about politics, ethics, and survival while TNMN is more about paranoia, horror, and deception based from the doppelgangers situation.
Go make some actual better argument if you want to use it as a counter instead of trying to sound smart, you're just gonna embarrass yourself even more if you're still trying to make this kind of argument again. 🥸
Well to be fair I do feel the itch.io version is better. If it was still available i would tell people to either buy both or specifically buy the itch.io version if they only wanted to buy one.
"you paid for that not for the new version" no dickweed you marketed it as an updated game, not taking responsibility for any of your actions but its clear to everyone that you just wanted to keep people's money. I hope it was worth the money grab!
"Not taking responsibility for any of your actions" is such a wild word LMAO. 😭🙏
Don't worry gusy, IF you don't agree with this dude, i already obliterated them with my bomb of texts the moment they tried to challenge me to shut up in my previous comment. This just proves that they don't actually care the situations and want to harrass Nachosama only. You're not getting away with this when you literally just harrassed both me and the dev dawg. Here, have a pic of this cat again to make your day a bit better! 😺👍
If you bought the game more than 90 days ago you can't. If you purchased it recently, you're still out of luck I think since he's pretty much been bullied to not care anymore.
Instead of giving everyone refunds. The more logical response would have just to been to update the itch.io version no? That way he can essentially give everyone the new game without having to dish out refunds or receive hate? Odd decision making on his part.
The whole situation with the remake is very upsetting.. I'm really sorry NachoSama
I appreciate all the work you put in the game and I'll forever be grateful to you for making a wish come true, it's a masterpiece. I play it every now and then and even more than once a day, I stream it to my friends as we share jokes and laughs as we play together and share laughs because we made silly custom neighbors.
I hope you know that a lot of us are thankful, that we appreciate and admire you.
I'm sorry this is all happening to you Samabro. I know it sucks reading all the comments, but I hope that stress doesn't make you ignore the fact that you made a mistake and that doesn't make you a bad person as much as the people try to make you out as over $3. If I knew this was going to happen, I would of spent more than the $20 I sent you for the itcho version. You deserve compassion and praise for your time spent. Don't give up on me buddy, I better see more from you. I know you got more to show.
I don't think dudes a horrible person and definitely is just someone who made a mistake, but from what I know money isn't the issue, atleast for me. The issue I'm having is that ive already paid for a game that is now not gonna be updated and added to that there is a remake that the creator previously promised to be allowed to people "free of charge" to people who had already bought the game when released to steam.
In my mind of course people are gonna be upset but honestly not a reason people should use to decide to target nachosama. Things happened how they did and just because nachosamas words now don't align with what they've said in the past doesn't mean they should be subject to hate. Plans change so people need to grow up and accept that the steam version is a different game and if they want it they're gonna have to buy it
Couldn't of said it better myself. Had he looked into his promises and whether he could actually do them or not, it would be a different story. Honestly it could just be people who got into the hype and didn't like the game so now they're trying to get their money back 2 years later and the game free. Scummy, but who knows.
My only issue is he clearly wanted to stand by the "I wish i could give it for free but i can't" narrative. To then promise a free refund (we'll ignore that he didn't realize he can't after 90 days) makes no sense to me. Why not just update the itch.io files. Then everyone is happy no? We all get an updated version and people who do want it on steam or are new can choose between steam or itch.io. It just doesn't really make much sense to me the decision making skills. The only "legit" reason not to have it on itch.io is worrying about piracy. People pirate steam games as well though and plenty of developers have success on itch.io.
I also don't think he's a horrible person. Just that he's making the wrong decision at every turn. Not doing actual research before making statements and overall being a bit too wishy washy with his responses.
Honestly if he outright said "Itch.io people do not get the steam version for free. It's a new game. You have to buy it again" and just left it at that. I feel like they'd be less backlash than what he's getting now.
If you need to ignore context to make your argument make sense, your argument isn't a good argument. He even removed the payment option for the itcho option, but was still bullied because people go crazy for greed to get someone's hard work for free. Theres nothing simple about updating the itchio, because it's a different game, its not a drag and drop. Brother made two mistakes trying to please his fans, but was met with nothing but hate and backlash and honestly the most valid reason to give "wishy washy" responses to the disrespect.
I think you don't understand the process of how the game got updates on itch.io? Every-time the game was "updated" on itch.io the whole game was re-uploaded as a whole new packed .exe launch file. There would be no difference in uploading to itch.io then the steam version. That's literally how he was "updating" the game in the first place. So yes it is quite literally "that simple".
Edit: it's fine if you want to defend him. You are entitled to thinking he did nothing wrong. However it should be understood that updating the game for itch.io is quite literally just uploading the files to itch.io. Like there is no extra process involved.
Y'all, if you're not gonna understand Nachosama's mistake and just keep asking for a refund without even reading the latest announcement in Development log first, i will not hesitate to send bomb of texts on you if you just keep yapping about it /srs
I would like my money back because if it was a full game, it would not have had the "coming soon" on the different game modes, I am interested in paying for the version on steam with my $3 back but it is not fair that I bought the game and it wasn't fully released and now I'm expected to pay for another "full" version
They are man. You can defend it as much as you want. 90% of the assets used in the steam version are re-used from the itch.io. If not more. The game play is pretty much identical with simply the main differences being that you do certain actions in different places. Like asking questions. The biggest "game play" change is the ability to not let them in.
I get that you're passionate about defending the game. However plenty of games get face lifts during development. In fact it's quite literally one of the biggest stepping stones to developing a game. Sometimes you re-work art, mechanics, UI. That's just development. To say that warrants the title of being called a "brand new game" is insulting to any game developer who offers free update that actually reworks things for their game. Heck i'm a game-developer. I've worked in indie companies where our early version of the game looks and plays nothing like later versions of the game. We didn't charge people again for our game though.
I personally don't agree, but to each their own opinion. Thank you for not just bashing my opinion like most of the comments here. Taking the last of us remake for example. Same game, had to buy it again. They overhauled the graphics and mechanics, but the story stayed the same. The remake for that's not my neighbor did the same thing. Overhauled the mechanics, added some new ones, a new game category to remake the entire apartment with custom tenants. I'd call it a remake and not a update.
I purchased it as a gift from someone else, and I know it's probably non-refundable, but I'd appreciate it if you could gift me the game. This is my email 3399785659@qq.com. If necessary, I will attach a screenshot of the purchase
Im not paying 2 times because the creator decided that an update is now a remake and the "original" game was already finished. I think that's not how remakes work, if you decide to continue your "finished" game i think you should've just updated it, this move is very arrogant from the creator. A "That's not my neighbor 2" would've been less obvious than this tbh.
After some research, there are still some things wrong. I guess there will be a reason of why you cannot keep updating the game here, so i'll skip that, but still the problem that you still have the excuse of not asking us for more money for updating it. I think that never happened with other game, when they feel like we got a lot of things, you just put it more expensive for new ppl or maybe like I said you can call it a 2nd part, idk. I guess also not being able to continue the game and starting it all over again disapointed some others ._.
Other thing that you shouldn't do again is doing promises that you are not sure you can really make, like the refunds. And I don't want a refund lol, I payed for it because I wanted to play it and enjoy it. Just keep it!
Well since idk you so much i guess i'll believe you and think you're actually a good person and buy it again when i have the opportunity :P but don't discontinue it again and release it later on any other platform lol
Yeah pretty much. What makes no sense to me is claiming he would give a free steam key but can't. If that was the case. Why not just update the itch.io version. It's contradictory. Makes no sense other than he wants people to buy it twice. There isn't really any reason he can't just update it here. You just upload the game files to be able to be downloaded. The only "valid" reason is he thinks people will spread the game around for free? But they could do that with the original version aswell.
Dawg, are you just trying to ignore the situation that it was clearly accidental because Nacho didn't do research before he promised the Steam key and refund? He KNOWS his mistakes and he apologized, but i feel like, i saw you keep blaming him because he can't put the Steam version on here as well. Here are the reasons that will make it clear EVEN if you're still not gonna accept his mistakes.
1. The remake was specifically made for Steam. It was his decision. Both Itch.io and Steam have different systems. Porting it back to Itch.io isn't as simple as dragging and dropping files, it requires a LOT of process, adjustments, coding, testing, and extra work to make it function properly.
2. The remake isn't just an update. People misunderstood this and keep acting like the remake is just a patch to the itch.io version when in reality, it is a separate build and the UI even looks different. If it were just an update, Nacho WOULD'VE done that in here from the start. He clearly wanted to EXPAND the game since he wants to try something new and adapt his game to another new platform.
3. The free Steam key situation wasn't really his fault. This is the problem that most people mentioned. I know it's his mistake, but this wasn't a deliberate decision to "force people to buy it again", it was a mistake caused by misunderstanding Steam's policies but people just keep blaming him for that way too much.
4. People spreading the game for free is the issue that is MOST concerning. Nacho already mentioned that people have STOLEN his game and upload it elsewhere. If he put the remake on Itch.io as well, it would make it EASIER for people to grab the files and distribute them illegally while Steam have way stronger protection. Most people fail to realize that this is the actual crime. Nacho actually didn't mind it at first, but you people think he's the one who needs to be blamed so much here is just NOT okay and i don't really get the logic.
I hope you actually read this but if you don't, then i just assume that you will never understand the real situation that is going on right now. Most of my friends who are "real" TNMN fans in another social medias are with me, so i honestly don't care if i'm gonna receive downvotes and hates here, i tried to remind people and defend Nachosama because WE didn't expect people here are literally so messed up and no wonder if Nacho decide to stop developing TNMN or making other games, some of you can't even give him a break when this is literally his mistakes for the first time, some of you just pushed him WAY. TOO. MUCH. Congrats for destroying an indie dev's passion and TNMN development, i'm so disappointed with you people! 👏👏👏
did you read what I said? If he cannot give a free steam key why not just update the itch.io version. It has the same effect. You wrote so much yet ignored what I wrote????
Dang bro, can you seriously not handle reading comprehesion? How many times do i have to tell you that IT'S HIS DECISION TO EXPAND HIS OWN GAME TO STEAM??? You're literally the one who IGNORED my whole points, especially the 3rd and 4th one, ignoring the fact that IT WAS AN ACCIDENT AND HE APOLOGIZED. He also moved the game to Steam clearly because Itch.io doesn't have stronger security like Steam does since people have STOLEN his game for multiple times. Imagine if you make a game ENTIRELY by yourself then people started stealing it and making a profit off of it, would you accept that??? No you wouldn't, you know it's an absolute crime and disrespectful to developers, devs need to protect their game from piracy, but some people unfortunately FAIL to realize it and ignore this problem.
And also, that's the only argument you've got? No wonder i saw you're one of the people trying so hard to bring Nachosama down with weak excuses. Keep denying the facts all you want, but at this point, you're just embarrassing yourself. I'm not gonna stop sending bomb of texts on you until you fully understand the whole of my points.
He's just rage baiting at this point brother. You said clear as day why he can't just drag and drop it. He looked at that wall of text and said "I aint reading all that" and assumed you didn't talk about it.
You seem upset. My point still stands though? Regardless to how invested you want to be. The developer made it out he REALLY wanted to give away the steam keys for free. If he claimed that the steam version from the start was enough of an improvement that it warrants a re-purchase than that's fine.
If he did want to give it out for free but couldn't due to steam issues. Then nothing was stopping him from simply updating the itch.io version tot he latest version. I'm not quite sure where you're failing to realize the contradiction the developer is having with his statements.
I'll repeat once again for you. He claimed he wants to give for free. He continued to remove any future updates for the itch.io version and not give it for free on itch.io. You can't claim you want to give it for free and than...not give it for free. Yes he can't do it on steam but he can do it on itch.io.
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🤍CHESTER'S QUIZ🖤
Please read the last post NachoSama put up about refunds and steam keys
can i plzz have steam key?
Please read NachoSama's post about steam keys
Hi, I purchased this game 57 days ago, I did read the logs provided but was still wondering if I could get a refund please. I purchased it under this username (Ultrrraaa). I want to buy it on steam because I'm planning on just getting rid of my itch.io account.
hi, in steam it's not available for mac, will there be mac a version?
i want refund or steam key.
There are no more steam keys, and refunds are impossible for those who bought the game 90+ days ago. Also it wouldn't kill you to say please.
🤍ALL DOPPELGANGERS🖤
Played for 12 hours and finally found all the doppelgangers! Heck yeah!can i have a refund or the steam key i like playing the game
Read the most recent dev log, refunds are impossible for those that bought the game 90 days ago
refund, please or a steam key
Did you read the posts Nacho put up about steam keys and refunds?
hey what all are the differences between the old Itch.io version and the steam version and is it worth it to buy both
The difference is that the remake has a different build. So the UI is different and so is the mechanics. It's got some quality of life improvements from the itcho version, but play similarly.
It is mostly the same game though. Nothing has been really redesigned enough to call it a new game compared to an update. It's still 95% the same art assets. It's slightly more simplified than the itch.io version mechanically aswell (Which is fine).
Personally I prefer the itch.io version. The steam version has a lot of things removed that I personally liked about the itch.io version. Minus the custom gamemode it hasn't really "added" anymore to the game. The quality of life stuff is nice though.
hi, can i have my steam key?
thanks
he can't give more than 100 steam keys
damn i have this game and i can't have the new version:(
Its only $3. He brought the price down so that we could buy it after figuring out he can only give out 100 keys.
Oh he's not updating the itch.io version? That's weird. Why not just update itch.io so he didn't have to worry about steam keys.
yeah the two games have the exact same price so really no big deal
Hola. yo si deseo mi rembolso para adquirirlo en steam! aqui esta la prueba de la fecha de cundo lo compre, seguramente puede salir reflejado en el sistema
If the itch version ever comes back, I would love to buy it and be a proud owner of both versions and show support if possible
Hi! I would really appreciate a refund for the game just to send it back for the steam version please. I really like the series and progress of this game and I would love to see what you've done in 2.0.4!!
when did you buy the game on itch?
im want a refund to buy it on steam
when did you buy the game on itch?
is the steam versions also available for Mac? because I bought this version for Mac and also wanted to play the Remake on Mac.
I'm gonna say this again if people still gonna ask for a refund and accuse Nachosama for wanting money only and not because he wants to share his own game.
It's honestly really wild and disappointing that most of people here are always complaining about "having to buy twice" and "he broke his promises" as their strongest argument when the game has always been just $3. Nachosama didn't raise the price of the original game, didn't upcharge for the remake, and he admitted his mistakes, apologized for many times after he couldn't promised the Steam Key and Itch.io refund, yet, people really backlashed him so much to the point they destroyed his passion for TNMN and his other future work.
"But it's still their money, no matter the amount, he forced people to buy twice!" So, are you guys gonna ignoring the amount of effort he put into TNMN as well? He made the game ENTIRELY by himself, he made the game from scratch, concept art, UI/UX, coding, prototype, final artwork, and everything that involves game development. As a college student and artist, i know it's really HARD to do all of that ALONE, Nachosama managed to success with TNMN because he was really motivated to create such a unique game entirely by himself, and he still charged the game in such incredibly low prices than most indie devs would. Not to mention that his game got really popular, he could've raise the price for the remake if he wants to but NOPE, Nachosama didn't want you to pay in a higher price because he GENUINELY wanted to SHARE his own game, NOT scamming you out of fortune.
People also forgot the fact that devs NEED TO PROTECT THEIR GAME FROM PIRACY. Nachosama stated that his game has been STOLEN multiple times and people made profit off of it which it is absolute CRIME & DISRESPECTFUL TO DEVELOPERS. It's also one of most valid reason for him to move his own game to Steam because Steam has stronger security than Itch.io, but some people fail to realize this and ignore this copyrights problem. Nacho didn't mind it at first, but seeing how some of you backlash him because he decided to remake and expand the game to Steam, you immediately throw the "YOU'RE SO ARROGANT FOR 'FORCING' US TO BUY TWICE!!!" and calling him "greedy" while the real ones who are being greedy here are the people who only cares about their own MONEY & FREE STUFF from his game.
So the point of my comment? Just GIVE HIM A BREAK. Respect every of his decision, understand what he already stated instead of asking the same thing that is already explained by him for many times. It's NO USE if you keep harassing him because now he already discouraged from continuing TNMN and his other work. He also probably got really traumatized after all of the backlash that was happening in here. Some of you just decided to disrespect him in any unhinged way possible when he was already falling down, that's honestly such a pathetic move and you should be ashamed of yourself for disrespecting him this much.
If you're still disagree with me? Then it's your choice! It's your choice if you want to downvote my comment as well. I fight against those who insulted Nachosama because i got FREAKING DISAPPOINTED TO SEE MY FAVORITE DEV BEING DISRESPECTED THIS MUCH. This just proves Nacho that most of people here are just fake fans who only care about their own money and not his work once he couldn't fulfill his promises while the "sane" TNMN fans out there are way more reasonable with their constructive criticisms after he released the remake in Steam.
Thank you if you read this and i hope you have a ✨nice day or night!!!✨ 😊👍👍👍
Thank you very much for those important words!
If Nachosama truly wanted to share his game, he could’ve easily updated the Itch.io version instead of removing it from future updates. Moving to Steam for better security makes sense, but it’s also easy to pirate the Steam version, so piracy isn't a solid reason for not updating Itch.io. Games like Buckshot Roulette updated both versions, proving it's possible to support both platforms.
The developer went back and forth between saying "I truly wish I could give it to everyone for free" and "It's a new build, so I deserve it to be repurchased." His inconsistent stance only adds to the backlash. He broke several promises, and instead of updating the Itch.io version, something that could've easily been done, he told everyone he’d offer refunds, only to realize he couldn’t issue refunds after 90 days. I’m not blaming him for that, but it shows that lack of research led to these issues. It’s frustrating that with such a simple solution, he chose not to take it, especially when some games on Itch.io thrive despite piracy being "easier." This doesn’t seem like a valid reason to avoid updating Itch.io.
If he was truly willing to offer every single person a refund, then the whole piracy argument becomes irrelevant. If he’s offering refunds, it shows he's not concerned about people getting the game for free, which undermines the claim that piracy was the reason for moving to Steam. It makes sense that if he's willing to provide refunds, he could have simply updated the Itch.io version without worrying about piracy.
I think if he had a more consistent stance there’d be less backlash. Even if that stance from the start had been "This is a new game. If you want it, you need to pay for it again," it still would have gotten some backlash, considering buyers were told they’d get future updates for free. But I feel the backlash would have been less.
Oh, haha, i've noticed that you're still not backing down, i see. How fascinating! But since it seems like you're always talking about Nachosama's inconsistency, how about you go take a mirror first and take a look back at your previous comment compared to what you've been talking recently, then we can talk about it further if you still can explain what you actually really wanted! 🥸
What? My inconsistencies I mentioned are still perfectly valid? I'm talking about his inconsistencies throughout the development stages.
He claimed free indefinite updates of the game. September 28, 2024: “If you bought the game once, you won’t need to buy it again. You will always have access to all future updates.” and May 21, 2024: “Remember that if you already bought the game, you DO NOT need to purchase it again. The game is bought once, and you will always have access to all future files I upload.” To then "re-release" the game and call it a different game.
He claimed he wanted to give free Steam keys. Said he cannot give free Steam keys because he was limited to 100 Steam keys (which is perfectly reasonable if it's valid). However, if he was set on giving Steam keys for free, that means he had the intention of giving the Steam update for free. If that was the case, he could have achieved this goal by simply updating the itch.io version.
He then, in replies, started saying, "I just made another game, the game on itch was finished long ago," making it clear he never planned to give the Steam version for free. His own words in the screenshot confirm this.
He promised free refunds and then said he can't because of the 90-day limit (again, this is completely fair. He should have really done research before this. With all the backlash, you’d think he’d do extensive research before making any promises he might not be able to keep).
The game being "finished on itch.io" doesn't mean he couldn't simply release a separate downloadable file that was the Steam version if he again claimed he wanted to give the Steam version away for free for original backers.
He clearly was working on the Steam version for a while. Why not tell everyone, "Ok, guys. This itch.io version is done! I am making a Steam version of the game that is a remake. That remake will not be given to itch.io users because it is a new version of the game"? This may have gotten a tiny bit of backlash. However, nowhere near the backlash he got with all these hiccups. At the end of the day, a fanbase wants to feel like there is honesty and communication between them and the developer. When a new Steam game is released and then told, "You guys aren't getting it because it's a separate game" (and yes, this is basically what he's saying because again he'd just add the files on itch.io for original backers), it's going to leave a sour taste in people's mouths. That’s just how it is. Even more so when fans are expecting updates to the game because they haven’t been informed it is finished. Again, if he was working on the Steam version, he could, in the latest update to the itch.io version, just tell the fans that there will be no more updates to the game because he's remaking it for Steam with new features.
He is a solo developer, so I’m not putting him in the same leagues as a greedy corporate company. However, to say you will give indefinite free updates, then give the game a facelift for a Steam release and claim it's a new game isn’t exactly keeping to that narrative.
A part of development of the game can be re-working it from the ground up. That's very common in the gaming industry, from small indie games (like Risk of Rain (Remastered), Spelunky (HD), and Fez) to triple-A games. That doesn't warrant a re-purchase of the game when updates were promised for free and no prior warning was made to say the itch.io version of the game was complete.
The piracy scare needs to stop. Plenty of games get pirated, and they still do well. Maybe because 90% of gamers aren't thieves, and it insults us to make this kind of insinuation.
Edit: And also, not knocking on the guy's hard work, but calling this a "unique" game is a stretch. This is basically a Papers, Please clone. lol
"Plenty of games get pirated, and they still do well." Bro's acting like piracy isn't a big deal while Nachosama literally an indie dev who struggles and deserve to get paid for his hard work alone. Piracy might not kill AAA studios, but for a solo dev, every sale counts.
"90% of gamers aren't thieves" says WHO?? Did i ever assume that "90% of gamers are thieves for pirating his game"??? That's why he said "multiple times", not everyone, because there are people who actually stole his game and made a profit off of it. The Itch.io version also has raw files that makes it easier for people who want to get it for free while Steam makes it harder because it has stronger security and protection.
"This is basically a Papers, Please clone." Laziest take i've always seen. Just because a game has similar mechanic, doesn't mean it's completely a clone. They both still have different concept, art style, and story. Papers Please is more about politics, ethics, and survival while TNMN is more about paranoia, horror, and deception based from the doppelgangers situation.
Go make some actual better argument if you want to use it as a counter instead of trying to sound smart, you're just gonna embarrass yourself even more if you're still trying to make this kind of argument again. 🥸
hi! Im requesting for a refund so i can get the steam version.
when did you buy the game on itch?
do not buy this game
Do not let yourself be easily swayed and actually do some research and realize you're just following the bandwagon
Well to be fair I do feel the itch.io version is better. If it was still available i would tell people to either buy both or specifically buy the itch.io version if they only wanted to buy one.
Guys, remember that some games charge $10 just for DLCs.
They'd probably pay so much more too depending on the developer, but raise a stink over $3
yeah
Where can I get the MacOS version?! it's not available on Steam, or i.e. when it will be available?
How do you pronounce Sverchzt? My 5 year old is dying to know as he is learning to read.
"you paid for that not for the new version" no dickweed you marketed it as an updated game, not taking responsibility for any of your actions but its clear to everyone that you just wanted to keep people's money. I hope it was worth the money grab!
The creator said he wanted to show his games, not to make money. Please don't harass the developer for this
"Not taking responsibility for any of your actions" is such a wild word LMAO. 😭🙏
Don't worry gusy, IF you don't agree with this dude, i already obliterated them with my bomb of texts the moment they tried to challenge me to shut up in my previous comment. This just proves that they don't actually care the situations and want to harrass Nachosama only. You're not getting away with this when you literally just harrassed both me and the dev dawg. Here, have a pic of this cat again to make your day a bit better! 😺👍
No where has he said that, you're pulling words from your butthole. Would love to see some proof, but I know you know that I know you're full of it.
You're right in saying updates were promised with original purchase. However think it's a but harsh to go so hard on him.
hi im want a refund to buy it on steam
If you bought the game more than 90 days ago you can't. If you purchased it recently, you're still out of luck I think since he's pretty much been bullied to not care anymore.
Instead of giving everyone refunds. The more logical response would have just to been to update the itch.io version no? That way he can essentially give everyone the new game without having to dish out refunds or receive hate? Odd decision making on his part.
They're two separate games, there is no "simply" updating it.
The whole situation with the remake is very upsetting.. I'm really sorry NachoSama
I appreciate all the work you put in the game and I'll forever be grateful to you for making a wish come true, it's a masterpiece. I play it every now and then and even more than once a day, I stream it to my friends as we share jokes and laughs as we play together and share laughs because we made silly custom neighbors.
I hope you know that a lot of us are thankful, that we appreciate and admire you.
Hi, I would like to have a refund and plan to buy it on Steam
I'm sorry this is all happening to you Samabro. I know it sucks reading all the comments, but I hope that stress doesn't make you ignore the fact that you made a mistake and that doesn't make you a bad person as much as the people try to make you out as over $3. If I knew this was going to happen, I would of spent more than the $20 I sent you for the itcho version. You deserve compassion and praise for your time spent. Don't give up on me buddy, I better see more from you. I know you got more to show.
I don't think dudes a horrible person and definitely is just someone who made a mistake, but from what I know money isn't the issue, atleast for me. The issue I'm having is that ive already paid for a game that is now not gonna be updated and added to that there is a remake that the creator previously promised to be allowed to people "free of charge" to people who had already bought the game when released to steam.
In my mind of course people are gonna be upset but honestly not a reason people should use to decide to target nachosama. Things happened how they did and just because nachosamas words now don't align with what they've said in the past doesn't mean they should be subject to hate. Plans change so people need to grow up and accept that the steam version is a different game and if they want it they're gonna have to buy it
Couldn't of said it better myself. Had he looked into his promises and whether he could actually do them or not, it would be a different story. Honestly it could just be people who got into the hype and didn't like the game so now they're trying to get their money back 2 years later and the game free. Scummy, but who knows.
My only issue is he clearly wanted to stand by the "I wish i could give it for free but i can't" narrative. To then promise a free refund (we'll ignore that he didn't realize he can't after 90 days) makes no sense to me. Why not just update the itch.io files. Then everyone is happy no? We all get an updated version and people who do want it on steam or are new can choose between steam or itch.io. It just doesn't really make much sense to me the decision making skills. The only "legit" reason not to have it on itch.io is worrying about piracy. People pirate steam games as well though and plenty of developers have success on itch.io.
I also don't think he's a horrible person. Just that he's making the wrong decision at every turn. Not doing actual research before making statements and overall being a bit too wishy washy with his responses.
Honestly if he outright said "Itch.io people do not get the steam version for free. It's a new game. You have to buy it again" and just left it at that. I feel like they'd be less backlash than what he's getting now.
If you need to ignore context to make your argument make sense, your argument isn't a good argument. He even removed the payment option for the itcho option, but was still bullied because people go crazy for greed to get someone's hard work for free. Theres nothing simple about updating the itchio, because it's a different game, its not a drag and drop. Brother made two mistakes trying to please his fans, but was met with nothing but hate and backlash and honestly the most valid reason to give "wishy washy" responses to the disrespect.
I think you don't understand the process of how the game got updates on itch.io? Every-time the game was "updated" on itch.io the whole game was re-uploaded as a whole new packed .exe launch file. There would be no difference in uploading to itch.io then the steam version. That's literally how he was "updating" the game in the first place. So yes it is quite literally "that simple".
Edit: it's fine if you want to defend him. You are entitled to thinking he did nothing wrong. However it should be understood that updating the game for itch.io is quite literally just uploading the files to itch.io. Like there is no extra process involved.
Y'all, if you're not gonna understand Nachosama's mistake and just keep asking for a refund without even reading the latest announcement in Development log first, i will not hesitate to send bomb of texts on you if you just keep yapping about it /srs
Hi, i would like a refund. I was made to understand that this game would be updated regularly, and i plan on buying it on steam. Thanks!
Hi, I would like a refund for the game. I plan on buying it on Steam. Thank you.
If you bought it 90 days ago, you won't be able to get a refund.
I would like my money back because if it was a full game, it would not have had the "coming soon" on the different game modes, I am interested in paying for the version on steam with my $3 back but it is not fair that I bought the game and it wasn't fully released and now I'm expected to pay for another "full" version
That is the full game. The steam game is a different game. Different UI, Different mechanics. They are separate games. They are not the same.
They are man. You can defend it as much as you want. 90% of the assets used in the steam version are re-used from the itch.io. If not more. The game play is pretty much identical with simply the main differences being that you do certain actions in different places. Like asking questions. The biggest "game play" change is the ability to not let them in.
I get that you're passionate about defending the game. However plenty of games get face lifts during development. In fact it's quite literally one of the biggest stepping stones to developing a game. Sometimes you re-work art, mechanics, UI. That's just development. To say that warrants the title of being called a "brand new game" is insulting to any game developer who offers free update that actually reworks things for their game. Heck i'm a game-developer. I've worked in indie companies where our early version of the game looks and plays nothing like later versions of the game. We didn't charge people again for our game though.
It's simply not enough to be called a new game.
I personally don't agree, but to each their own opinion. Thank you for not just bashing my opinion like most of the comments here. Taking the last of us remake for example. Same game, had to buy it again. They overhauled the graphics and mechanics, but the story stayed the same. The remake for that's not my neighbor did the same thing. Overhauled the mechanics, added some new ones, a new game category to remake the entire apartment with custom tenants. I'd call it a remake and not a update.
I purchased it as a gift from someone else, and I know it's probably non-refundable, but I'd appreciate it if you could gift me the game. This is my email 3399785659@qq.com.
If necessary, I will attach a screenshot of the purchase
Im not paying 2 times because the creator decided that an update is now a remake and the "original" game was already finished. I think that's not how remakes work, if you decide to continue your "finished" game i think you should've just updated it, this move is very arrogant from the creator. A "That's not my neighbor 2" would've been less obvious than this tbh.
After some research, there are still some things wrong. I guess there will be a reason of why you cannot keep updating the game here, so i'll skip that, but still the problem that you still have the excuse of not asking us for more money for updating it. I think that never happened with other game, when they feel like we got a lot of things, you just put it more expensive for new ppl or maybe like I said you can call it a 2nd part, idk. I guess also not being able to continue the game and starting it all over again disapointed some others ._.
Other thing that you shouldn't do again is doing promises that you are not sure you can really make, like the refunds. And I don't want a refund lol, I payed for it because I wanted to play it and enjoy it. Just keep it!
Well since idk you so much i guess i'll believe you and think you're actually a good person and buy it again when i have the opportunity :P but don't discontinue it again and release it later on any other platform lol
Yeah pretty much. What makes no sense to me is claiming he would give a free steam key but can't. If that was the case. Why not just update the itch.io version. It's contradictory. Makes no sense other than he wants people to buy it twice. There isn't really any reason he can't just update it here. You just upload the game files to be able to be downloaded. The only "valid" reason is he thinks people will spread the game around for free? But they could do that with the original version aswell.
Dawg, are you just trying to ignore the situation that it was clearly accidental because Nacho didn't do research before he promised the Steam key and refund? He KNOWS his mistakes and he apologized, but i feel like, i saw you keep blaming him because he can't put the Steam version on here as well. Here are the reasons that will make it clear EVEN if you're still not gonna accept his mistakes.
1. The remake was specifically made for Steam. It was his decision. Both Itch.io and Steam have different systems. Porting it back to Itch.io isn't as simple as dragging and dropping files, it requires a LOT of process, adjustments, coding, testing, and extra work to make it function properly.
2. The remake isn't just an update. People misunderstood this and keep acting like the remake is just a patch to the itch.io version when in reality, it is a separate build and the UI even looks different. If it were just an update, Nacho WOULD'VE done that in here from the start. He clearly wanted to EXPAND the game since he wants to try something new and adapt his game to another new platform.
3. The free Steam key situation wasn't really his fault. This is the problem that most people mentioned. I know it's his mistake, but this wasn't a deliberate decision to "force people to buy it again", it was a mistake caused by misunderstanding Steam's policies but people just keep blaming him for that way too much.
4. People spreading the game for free is the issue that is MOST concerning. Nacho already mentioned that people have STOLEN his game and upload it elsewhere. If he put the remake on Itch.io as well, it would make it EASIER for people to grab the files and distribute them illegally while Steam have way stronger protection. Most people fail to realize that this is the actual crime. Nacho actually didn't mind it at first, but you people think he's the one who needs to be blamed so much here is just NOT okay and i don't really get the logic.
I hope you actually read this but if you don't, then i just assume that you will never understand the real situation that is going on right now. Most of my friends who are "real" TNMN fans in another social medias are with me, so i honestly don't care if i'm gonna receive downvotes and hates here, i tried to remind people and defend Nachosama because WE didn't expect people here are literally so messed up and no wonder if Nacho decide to stop developing TNMN or making other games, some of you can't even give him a break when this is literally his mistakes for the first time, some of you just pushed him WAY. TOO. MUCH. Congrats for destroying an indie dev's passion and TNMN development, i'm so disappointed with you people! 👏👏👏
did you read what I said? If he cannot give a free steam key why not just update the itch.io version. It has the same effect. You wrote so much yet ignored what I wrote????
Dang bro, can you seriously not handle reading comprehesion? How many times do i have to tell you that IT'S HIS DECISION TO EXPAND HIS OWN GAME TO STEAM??? You're literally the one who IGNORED my whole points, especially the 3rd and 4th one, ignoring the fact that IT WAS AN ACCIDENT AND HE APOLOGIZED. He also moved the game to Steam clearly because Itch.io doesn't have stronger security like Steam does since people have STOLEN his game for multiple times. Imagine if you make a game ENTIRELY by yourself then people started stealing it and making a profit off of it, would you accept that??? No you wouldn't, you know it's an absolute crime and disrespectful to developers, devs need to protect their game from piracy, but some people unfortunately FAIL to realize it and ignore this problem.
And also, that's the only argument you've got? No wonder i saw you're one of the people trying so hard to bring Nachosama down with weak excuses. Keep denying the facts all you want, but at this point, you're just embarrassing yourself. I'm not gonna stop sending bomb of texts on you until you fully understand the whole of my points.
He's just rage baiting at this point brother. You said clear as day why he can't just drag and drop it. He looked at that wall of text and said "I aint reading all that" and assumed you didn't talk about it.
You seem upset. My point still stands though? Regardless to how invested you want to be. The developer made it out he REALLY wanted to give away the steam keys for free. If he claimed that the steam version from the start was enough of an improvement that it warrants a re-purchase than that's fine.
If he did want to give it out for free but couldn't due to steam issues. Then nothing was stopping him from simply updating the itch.io version tot he latest version. I'm not quite sure where you're failing to realize the contradiction the developer is having with his statements.
I'll repeat once again for you. He claimed he wants to give for free. He continued to remove any future updates for the itch.io version and not give it for free on itch.io. You can't claim you want to give it for free and than...not give it for free. Yes he can't do it on steam but he can do it on itch.io.
When will the game be available again?
I doubt itll come up any time soon. You can thank the people in the comments for that.
I've got both versions of your game its really fun but i only need one version refund please